In the ’80s, when the Black Panthers were starting to get into it. They were really cool — really well organized. They had their own website — called the Black Panthers International [sic] — and their own book publishing. They were very organized and really wanted to try to bring down the police state and they were really pushing for black self-determination. So I heard about the Black Panthers and I did some research on it and was like, “That’s cool. I’d like to try to do the same thing.”
Did you try to get into it?
No. I just thought that like, I don’t agree with anything too much, anyway. I think the whole thing wasn’t very organized, and the Black Panthers would shut us down. I don’t know how many times they would go around to people’s homes and say, “This house sucks.” And there were about a dozen of people, and we did not get that kind of reaction. The black community had enough of that, so I gave the black community a chance to have the dialogue they needed.
I feel like there are some really great songs out there that were written by people trying to get into that conversation. And I’m saying that as far as I’m concerned — I don’t have time to listen to it; I need to hear something more. But I think it’s good. I can see why.
It might be tough for some people to relate to the ideas of black self-determination, but it’s the only thing that makes sense.
Yeah. I think it’s a cool song. And it’s so beautiful. How dare they shut us up? Why is it better than the Black Panthers? I don’t know. But it’s like this is just a different way of looking at the world. I wish I could do that, but I don’t have time, or maybe I do, and I don’t know. I don’t do that.
In “Pony Love,” you sing about going to the barbershop: “You can’t say that you love yourself.” But you say that you’re a feminist. Are you more open to other genders?
Yeah, that is something I really am interested in. I think, in general, people are more open-minded [about the idea]. But I have a whole list of things that that I think should be a priority, in terms of feminism and other stuff… you know, maybe I should
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